B3030 front end loader cables freezing in cold weather

91diesel

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Hello! I've posted on here about my BX23S and the mods I've done to it and how I convert it for winter use in Alaska (truck plow mounted on SSQA plate and rear mounted snowblower). My question today is with my neighbor's tractor.
It started life as a cabbed B3030, her late husband had planned to make it into a sweet snow removal setup but unfortunately never got to see it finished. I put the front hydraulics on it (He had sourced and gotten all the parts including the hard to find bracket for the hydraulic valve body to mount) as this tractor didn't come from the factory with a front end loader and they were necessary for the front mounted snowblower setup. I showed her how to operate it and in general it works (trying to explain what/why/when for the diff lock was a process!).
So this tractor, and I imagine many other Kubotas uses a fender mounted joystick, that uses cables to go to the valve body to operate the front hydraulics. Well this setup is only useful if it's kept inside a garage, because otherwise the cables freeze up and you can't manipulate the snowblower at all. I thawed it in her garage the last couple of days and then sprayed some WD-40 silicone spray down the ends I could get to near the joystick. Well in the time it took me to track down and install a busted shear bolt on the blower, the cables froze and made the snowblower useless (I had it raised to change out the shear bolt). Anyone else in cold weather have this problem? What's the fix? Take the cables off and hang them in a garage to drain and then spray with silicone?
 

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Hello! I've posted on here about my BX23S and the mods I've done to it and how I convert it for winter use in Alaska (truck plow mounted on SSQA plate and rear mounted snowblower). My question today is with my neighbor's tractor.
It started life as a cabbed B3030, her late husband had planned to make it into a sweet snow removal setup but unfortunately never got to see it finished. I put the front hydraulics on it (He had sourced and gotten all the parts including the hard to find bracket for the hydraulic valve body to mount) as this tractor didn't come from the factory with a front end loader and they were necessary for the front mounted snowblower setup. I showed her how to operate it and in general it works (trying to explain what/why/when for the diff lock was a process!).
So this tractor, and I imagine many other Kubotas uses a fender mounted joystick, that uses cables to go to the valve body to operate the front hydraulics. Well this setup is only useful if it's kept inside a garage, because otherwise the cables freeze up and you can't manipulate the snowblower at all. I thawed it in her garage the last couple of days and then sprayed some WD-40 silicone spray down the ends I could get to near the joystick. Well in the time it took me to track down and install a busted shear bolt on the blower, the cables froze and made the snowblower useless (I had it raised to change out the shear bolt). Anyone else in cold weather have this problem? What's the fix? Take the cables off and hang them in a garage to drain and then spray with silicone?
Pull the cables out and pull them apart, removing the cable from the jacket.
Dry them completely, use compressed air to dry out the inside of the Jacket.
use a grease gun and fill the jacket with marine grease, then coat the cable with grease and reinstall into jacket.
When Installing them put grease into both ends of the cable connections.

You will more than likely need to do this every year.

One other option is to wrap them in heat tape and a foam cover.
 
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I'm not familiar with the exact cables you are talking about.

But PJ1 and probably others now make a cable lubing tool for motorcycle throttle cables.
It's a special lube designed for cables... not sure the contents but it works brilliantly.

it forces the lube completely through the cable.

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This may seem like heresy, particularly since NIW has already commented and his knowledge of these tractors is legion...

My experience with lever-actuated loader controls on my B7510 is that it's actually the hydraulic valve that's freezing. There are two hex-shaped "caps" that thread in place over the bottom end of the valve spools, covering up the inner workings of the valve (return springs, "float" detent balls etc). These thread-on caps get water in them through either direct exposure when melt water runs in around their threads or via condensation. Either way, the water causes the valve to be frozen in place when the tractor sits in freezing temperatures.

I've had the detent function destroyed by rust caused by the water inside these thread-on caps and now the other half of the valve, the curl function, requires the use of an electric heat gun to heat it before I can make the discharge chute of the front-mounted blower rotate from side to side.

I'm unlikely to ever have another problem with the up/down function since I drilled a drain hole in that thread-on cap. Now I have to do the same for the curl function. What a PITA and simply a dumb design for machines operating in a cold climate. Still, the fix is pretty easy.
 
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Thanks for the responses! I like the idea of doing both suggestions with the exception that I probably won't put grease on the cables, in the temperatures we're running at, that's likely to add a bunch of friction/drag that won't go away.
No Jacket, what you're saying correlates with what a mechanic up here said (sorta, he said the hydraulics were freezing up). The covers on this tractor are just round and not hex shaped, but have a hex nut that looks to be holding the cable end in place? and two small allen head screws that are holding them against the valvebody 'body'. Side note, if I remove these to get the water out and drill a drain hole, is it also easy to remove the 'detent' function? This tractor doesn't have a front end loader, nor the brackets for mounting one. The detent just makes chute rotation slightly more awkward. I'm assuming the detent function is to keep someone from accidentally dumping a bucket by bumping the control? My BX doesn't have a detent function for bucket dumping.
I'll have to breakout the instructions for mounting all the hydraulic stuff I did a couple years ago and remember how the cables attached.
 

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Thanks for the responses! I like the idea of doing both suggestions with the exception that I probably won't put grease on the cables, in the temperatures we're running at, that's likely to add a bunch of friction/drag that won't go away.
No Jacket, what you're saying correlates with what a mechanic up here said (sorta, he said the hydraulics were freezing up). The covers on this tractor are just round and not hex shaped, but have a hex nut that looks to be holding the cable end in place? and two small allen head screws that are holding them against the valvebody 'body'. Side note, if I remove these to get the water out and drill a drain hole, is it also easy to remove the 'detent' function? This tractor doesn't have a front end loader, nor the brackets for mounting one. The detent just makes chute rotation slightly more awkward. I'm assuming the detent function is to keep someone from accidentally dumping a bucket by bumping the control? My BX doesn't have a detent function for bucket dumping.
I'll have to breakout the instructions for mounting all the hydraulic stuff I did a couple years ago and remember how the cables attached.
The detents either lock the loader into float or they detent it from the fast dump position, which I suspect is your issue.
Removing the detents will not make it run smoother, in fact it will make its operation even more unpredictable.

Water in the detent caps on a cable controlled spool valve is very rare, as they point uphill and the water never collects in the detents.
But it will collect in the cables.
Get the cable injector kit and use WD40 as that is your best option.
 

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OK, yeah I wouldn't remove the float detent, just the fast dump position to make chute rotation even on both sides. Do you see any issue with that? Once the controls are thawed out they work normally. Having a detent to rotate the chute to the right is a little annoying, so if it can be removed it would be better. So the potential condensation, even if it were in the detent caps is just draining down into the cables anyway is what your saying, correct?
 

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My recommendation, If you remove the detent remember how it goes back together as your probably not going to be happy with its operation.

No if there is any condensation in the detent caps it will normally just drain out of the valve.
Water in the cable issue normally comes from the control end of the cables.
 

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Water in the detent caps on a cable controlled spool valve is very rare, as they point uphill
Thanks for sharing this info, NIW - not having worked on a cable-controlled valve, I didn't realize their orientation is opposite that of the "stick controlled" valves.

It's a good day when we can learn something, and I've learned something today!
 
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